Beginners forum.. someone?

I was thinking... Maybe this place could need a beginners forum?

I have some pros and cons for my idea.

Pro 1:
I've asked for help in the Visual C++ /C++ forums a couple of times and I get some tough answers that is really hard to understand because the code is so honed. For example..

bool operaotr==(const Card& rhs) const
{
return suit == rhs.suit && value == rhs.value;
}

I got this one explained by a kind guy called treuss, but I'm still not sure I've got the whole picture and understood the help when it stacks up with a bunch of

Card aceSpades(Card::spade, 1);
std::vector<Card>::iterator it = std::find(deck.begin(), deck.end(), aceSpades);

(...maybe these are lame examples but there are alot more "nightmarish" answers that I'm not showing due to it's content, and the beginners that might be reading this :D).

Every answer is so compressed that you can't see what the code is meant to do.
It's like learning a new language but everyone you ask for hlp spk's lk ths, nd rmvs ll vcls bcs th tk p t mch spc.
Oh sorry, I mean: everyone you ask for help speaks like this, and removes all vocals because they take up too much space.

The above is code that I would have understood in an instance if it was written out the basic way, taking it's extra rows and typing...

Pro 2:

Experienced programmers could be relieved by not having to put up with posts about how to define an integer, or how to #include a <string> and put their mind into some tougher stuff that takes abit of thinking.

Pro 3:

Some people that are not pro's would like to help other non-pro's (like myself) at the easy stuff (and let the tough guys do the heavy stuff). At the moment I can't see myself reading through 30 posts to find actually one that I have the slightest chance of comprehending.

Con 1:

Most people will probably hang around the main forum, so the chance of getting an answer in the Beginners forum as fast is maybe smaller.

Though! I have reason to believe it could turn to the opposite if beginners starts to feel that also they can help in some way and answer eachothers posts. It could turn out to be a dynamic forum that upholds itself just like the main one is doing now.

Well.. that's a newb's thoughts for now.

Thanks for taking the time reading it.
[2625 byte] By [dreamfluid] at [2007-11-19 17:32:13]
# 1 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
Bad idea. There are forums for specific questions, and that's where the questions belong, regardless of your skill level. If you want the helpers to know that you are a beginner, tell them, ask for an explanation if you don't know something. A beginner's board would just separate this forum, and this is one community, not two.
Dr. Script at 2007-11-10 3:36:18 >
# 2 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
I also don't see the need for this and we already has this question asked several times.

If you are not satisfied with an answer (or don't understand it), simply ask. Ask as long as you have understood it completely. Furthermore, usually our daily members provide pretty detailed explanations as their answers. But again...simply ask as long as you need to ask.

We basically do not differentiate between beginners and experts here while answering (at least I don't). Thus, whether it is a bgeinners' question or an advanced one...I will still answer them...and so do most of the other members here..
Andreas Masur at 2007-11-10 3:37:21 >
# 3 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
...and also even "an expert" may have sometimes questions considered "at a beginner level" by the others. Nobody is perfect, nobody can know everything. We are humans isn't it? :)
Sometimes, some guys complete with "please do not LOL for this stupid question".
To be clear: no question is stupid, but some answers... :D ;)
ovidiucucu at 2007-11-10 3:38:22 >
# 4 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
There is No need for a Beginner's Forum here. If a question is asked properly enough, the proper answer will come. It's very rare that people get ignored based on noob questions, and it's also extremely rare that people won't return to a certain thread to provide a more detailed answer, if asked.
The people on CG are very professional, and a lot (most of them) go out of their way to make sure that a person understands - I'm speaking out of my own experience here.
HanneSThEGreaT at 2007-11-10 3:39:16 >
# 5 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
I see your points of view guys.
Thanks for taking the time to read...
dreamfluid at 2007-11-10 3:40:18 >
# 6 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
If you are a beginner , say so, so the people who answer can tune their replies accordingly..
kirants at 2007-11-10 3:41:17 >
# 7 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
Also a beginner's forum might not attract "experts". This would discourage beginners because their questions might not be answered because only the "beginners" go there.
PeejAvery at 2007-11-10 3:42:24 >
# 8 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
Also a beginner's forum might not attract "experts". This would discourage beginners because their questions might not be answered because only the "beginners" go there.
good point...
dreamfluid at 2007-11-10 3:43:27 >
# 9 Re: Beginners forum.. someone?
So the answer is...

Interesting suggestion, but we will leave things like they are for now.

Thanks,

Brad!
Site Manager
Brad Jones at 2007-11-10 3:44:24 >