Are you a vegetarian.

I don't think Veg or NonVeg Gives some effect on your IQ. it's totally wrong helathy food is required to srvive a good life and for a good brain. and NonVeg and veg both contain good nutrition so According to this surve i don't like to vote .or want to vote for both.

Thx

In terms of IQ it seems that I am vegetarian.
In terms of eating habits, I am not. And I think that I will not be anytime soon.

Which option should I mark?

Cheers

A Southampton University study says there is a link between high IQ and vegetarianism.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm

The meaning of vegetarianism must be Eating more vegetables in your meal, or having it as major part of your food. and not Not eating any meat, chicken, fish etc.

Meat Eater here...

But if eating only veggies gives you a higher IQ .... then where are all the smart people ??

I think Man started eating meat way back in the past probably because it was obviously much easier then (and is today too!) to hunt another animal and gain nutrition, However I think it is high time now that people start looking for vegetarian alternatives since it is better, safer. And regarding the relationship to IQ I am not sure as GremlinSA points out, though one must note that only good eating habits cannot be responsible for something say IQ!

More and more people seem to be turning into meat-eaters than vegans trying out almost anything that has life.

I spare so many lifes everyday :D ;)

A vegetarian here. :wave:

I knew a Vegan. She was *NOT* skinny, though. Bigger than me!

I live by human's nature...meats and plants eater...and sometimes, sintesis food too...
after all, every animals live by eating other living things...vegies included...

I doubt it. ;)

"Like it or not, Meat food is most healthy and atleast I can take it without being guilty! And I take food for survival and not for the sake of getting tasty food all the time! I do love food but stick to clean, meat food. I think some of the world's most talented ones have been meat'ies, that doesnt mean non-meaties are dumb, it just means eating non-meat just doesnt give taht edge over others or something...talent mostly is cultivated over a period of time. So, I dont think its related to IQ." Hmm... meat.

- petter

EDIT: I'm sorry, but I just had to do that... :blush:


ATleast that didnt work for the Copy-Paste :p

The article is suspect. It fails, for example, to consider the fact that intelligence is largely an inherited trait, and as a consequence, the authors should have surveyed the parents to see if the parents were vegetarians.Hm... But even if the parents had decided to be vegetarians, that would have been an acquainted feature - which is not inherited... ;)

I'll put it this way.

I have (and wear in public) shirts that say things like "If we weren't meant to eat animals then why are they made of meat?" and "Save a cow, eat a vegetarian".

Let's talk more about amino acids... I mugged them a lot in pre-college days and did pathetic in the exams.. :D However, let's see what NV have to boast about those! :D ;)

SuperKoko.. I know you are a biology student.. you are not allowed! :D ;)

Broad-minded people should not have their sentiments hurt with this topic... ;)

BTW, I can't help but notice that so far an overwhelming majority of those that are vegetarians come from the Indian Sub-Continent... Strange because about 50% of the Indians I know are actually non-vegetarians. Wonder why they keep away from CG... :D

Broad-minded people should not have their sentiments hurt with this topic... ;)

BTW, I can't help but notice that so far an overwhelming majority of those that are vegetarians come from the Indian Sub-Continent... Strange because about 50% of the Indians I know are actually non-vegetarians. Wonder why they keep away from CG... :D

I think the 50% you are referring to are occasional NV's, because in india almost 95% people(including non vegetarians) eat veg food as regular diet, I eat non-veg but not daily.

Of course... Almost all NVs do eat vegetarian food regularly... Not only in India but also in Europe.
The reverse is not true.

If one eats anything that moved :D (or is still moving) one is not classifiable as a vegetarian (all right, I don't know why, but some cultures classify "fish" to be a vegetarian item... ).

By the way, how about discussing if (i) Eggs and (ii) Milk are V or NV diet?
Well, there is a special term for those that exclude eggs, milk and products made of those from their diet - Vegan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan). :)

Well, there is a special term for those that exclude eggs, milk and products made of those from their diet - Vegan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan). :)They can't exist today! :eek: I can't believe that definition.
That reminds me, we debated a lot on 'whether girls should be allowed in armed forces or not' with girls.....total nonsense but I enjoyed it. You must have been a real naughty guy in school! Chuckling at them! :D

Well, I drink milk and milk rich food - kheer, halwa, sweets etc.. Am I a NV? :(

A non-veggie. :DYeah, we were missing you.. :)

Who says milk is non-veg?That link by Sid!

That link by Sid!

Aaah...Looks like that defination of NV means 'the things which are not vegetables'. Most of the indians do think that NV means 'meat'. :)

BTW I don't think there is any reason to feel guilty if one eats chicken or meat, it's nature's way to maintain things, animals do eat other animals, they eat humans, why humans should not eat them? It's not like the chicken/pigs are becoming rare species.

The only reason could be health related problems, if there are any(I believe there is none).

A correlation doesn't prove any implication.Yep, exactly. :thumb: :) Unfortunately, this simple fact is so often misunderstood or overlooked.

I was missing you too. :)I said.. we and you pointed to me. :) I remember a joke on this... there was a guy in our class who was our class monitor.. he would always use the word "we" and had got habituated. Once he had to propose to a girl and he said.. "... <some stupid stuff>.. we love you". :D Really, you may have heard this joke but this happened in our class once. :DI remember one joke on this. I have a very close friend who is a Veggie and eats only eggs. We were chatting once and I told him there is no difference between two of us, rather he is more guilty than I am because I atleaast allow the chicken to see the world before I eat it, however you don't even let him see the light of this world.Very funny! :D Nice one! But the world is so cruel that he might not have had wanted the chicken to come out and see their family being massacred! :D :DNo - it says that milk is not vegan - but still vegetarian.Oh.. those termatologies... :D I am so confused... what was the question of this thread? Vegan or Vegetarian? I am a vegetarian... but I am in no way a Vegan.. I cannot live that way.. I mean clothes even? How would one live without clothes?

Anyways, as far as I know being a veggie/non-veggie or Vegan(which is new to me) does not affect ones personality. It is just the eating habits that are different, the human being itself is same.But I guess, NV's are of a little violent/rude mindset. More generally though. I don't know if I am true.. but it is like some people say that if you have control over your tongue (related to eating habits ;)) then you are a better person.

The thoughts which originate in your head are a little influenced by what you eat. Food for thought as they rightly say. How many of you do agree with this?

Interesting link : a list of vegan/V musicians... - http://www.angelfire.com/art2/veggies/musicians.html

A more exhaustive list - http://www.ivu.org/people/

Now, what do you have to say? :D ;) Some names are missing from there which you can find at the following link - http://www.dev-archive.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=554 :D

BTW I don't think there is any reason to feel guilty if one eats chicken or meat, it's nature's way to maintain things, animals do eat other animals, they eat humans, why humans should not eat them? It's not like the chicken/pigs are becoming rare species.

Saying that it's ok because animals do it is not a valid argument.
We, civilised humans, are supposed to be smart, trusting God and not falling into following blindly instincts.
Animal behaviors are usually (at least in my culture) deemed as vile and often bad... fighting to death for females and food or doing other things that humans are not supposed to do.
Animals are not example of high morality... They're however often examples of low morality.

Usually, when someone say that someone else is a son of dog/pig/other_animal it's an insult.

Consequently, I think that we can't say that something is good or acceptable because animals do it.

Saying that it's ok because animals do it is not a valid argument.

No no...I am not saying "it's ok because animals do it". I am saying, it's the natural way, every other species do that.

We, civilised humans, are supposed to be smart, trusting God and not falling into following blindly instincts.

This is funny.

Animal behaviors are usually (at least in my culture) deemed as vile and often bad... fighting to death for females and food or doing other things that humans are not supposed to do.
Animals are not example of high morality... They're however often examples of low morality.

Okay.

Usually, when someone say that someone else is a son of dog/pig/other_animal it's an insult.

Consequently, I think that we can't say that something is good or acceptable because animals do it.

Okay...

Still I believe it's natural to eat animal meat, there is nothing wrong in that.
And about the religion, beliefs and it's connection to being civilised....I think thats pointless or another never ending debate.

People talking about "civilized human behaviour" always make me chuckle. :DYou know what is civilized about that? A big fish will eat those fishes alive with their jaws... While in this case NV will eat with a knife and a fork on a nicely dressed dining table with family. :D ;)

Are we talking about animal rights now? ;) Well, that would be an interesting discussion as well.. :wave:

True! True! :)

By the way, how about discussing if (i) Eggs and (ii) Milk are V or NV diet? :D

We quarrelled so much on this one in our school days... :D

Anything that has got life in it or would become & is kileld for food is is considered a NV diet. Now, plants dont have life, atleast not physically. And its waste to let them die without it being used. Its difference in case of animals. So, Milk is a by product and so is a Veg. But Cow, eggs, fish etc. is NOT.

BTW I don't think there is any reason to feel guilty if one eats chicken or meat, it's nature's way to maintain things, animals do eat other animals, they eat humans, why humans should not eat them? It's not like the chicken/pigs are becoming rare species.

The only reason could be health related problems, if there are any(I believe there is none).
Hmmm ... Bird Flu and Swine Fever...

Bird flu has hit the world hard, expecially on the domesticated level... anyone follow the CNN stories of entire farms of chickens that were infected...

and Swine fever has recently poped its head up in South Africa .. Road blocks are set up around the infected area to check for any pork transports. It's now illegal to transport any type of pork out of the area...

Gremmy....

Actually, certain modern practices and animal rights issues almost go hand in hand...

For example: Here is a protest against KFC (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6298150629236181281) featuring Pamela Anderson...

(Now, I know what makes you click that link... :D )
This was a real Eye opener .. thanks Sid...

Actually, certain modern practices and animal rights issues almost go hand in hand...

For example: Here is a protest against KFC (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6298150629236181281) featuring Pamela Anderson...

(Now, I know what makes you click that link... :D )

That shook me. I couldnt see it. :( Thats a shame really. Thats too much animal cruelty.

When have we heard plants screaming to death when they are cooked?

Have you ever heard animals screaming to death when they are cooked?
I don't cook animals when they're still alive. :D

Seriously, sellfish have a very primitive nervous system and have no notion of pain... As there are plants with an even more primitive "nervous" system that react to stimulations (like Mimosa Pudica).

Pain is only useful in species clever enough to change their overall behavior when they suffer and doesn't exist in more primitive species.

Have you ever heard animals screaming to death when they are cooked?
I don't cook animals when they're still alive. :D

Seriously, sellfish have a very primitive nervous system and have no notion of pain... As there are plants with an even more primitive "nervous" system that react to stimulations (like Mimosa Pudica).

Pain is only useful in species clever enough to change their overall behavior when they suffer and doesn't exist in more primitive species.


:D :lol: Good One Superkoko... :thumb:

In favor of V's against NV's, I have to say that okay robbing vegetables etc is bad but committing a robbery somewhere doesn't give you eligibility to murder.. :D

Humans are the most cruel mammals...

Even when it comes to consuming animals, what is one culture's bread and butter (for example: dogs eaten in Korea) is absolutely *yuck* to another. There were (still are?) some primitive tribes that are are non-vegetarians to the extent that they are cannibalistic. Then, as far as non-vegetarianism goes, what is so wrong in one culture consuming human flesh if consuming goats and chicken is allowed in another?:D

I recall Silence of the lambs now... OMG! :eek:

Really, vegetarians are "accepted" all over! No "yucks"! :)

I think the biggest difference between consuming plants and consuming animals as far as humans go is that - humans are not plants. Eating animals from certain perspectives comes really close to the boundary of eating another of one's own kind (and hence close to wild animal behaviour).

Very true, indeed.

"It is far more efficient for us to eat plants directly than to eat meat, which requires an animal to eat up to 10 times as much vegetable food in order for us to gain the same food value."

Actually, It has been the major reason of the low-meat diets of approximatively everybody one century ago and before.

"almost any vegetarian food can be taken without necessarily killing a plant. For example, we need not kill to gather ripe fruits and nuts, berries, melons, seeds, legumes, tomatoes, squashes, pumpkins, cucumber, okras, peppers and so many other vegetables. Potatoes are dug from the ground after the plant has died. We can pick a few leafy greens at a time in our own garden, leaving the plant alive and well. Vegetables are generally annuals, harvested at the end of their natural life."

It's also possible with meat... Vulture & other beasts eat only dead animals...

Note also that a multicellular living being is several living beings at a time...
In fact, we can say that a being composed of N cells contains N+1 living beings (assuming that a living being is a complex stuff that is able to preserve homeostasia via energetic consuming mechanisms and is able either to reproduce itself or to regenerate against approximatively any minor damage).
1 for the total being.
1 for each cell.

Usually, when we eat vegetables (except if they're really not fresh), cells are still living, and we kill them.
:p

Okay, now if plants have life, why do you even rob them if not killing? and who told you that plants are not killed for food, most of the green veg are killed(taken off from ground) completly and sent sold.

Do you think plant were born only to produce food for humans? Don't you think they might have diff. purpose behind producing those seeds, leaves, fruits? Isn't taking those things away from those plants a robbery?

So are you. :)

That makes a lot of difference. Its common sense to find out that its bilogically active and not a physical lief like humans and aniimals live. Writing somehting for the sake of argument doesnt make any point. And as far as ribbing is concerned, May be you are used to it. Not me. :wave:

It's just an interpretation, if someone would have taught you to consider's plants(the ones we eat) as gods then you would have been on other side, ...No, it is not really like that. There are a few trees and plants which are considered holy. For example : Tulsi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi) and Neem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem) and the peculiar thing is Tulsi does serve as a Prasad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prasad) component. Tulsi is worshipped and well taken care of.. taking leafs for prasad doesn't mean destroying it. Additionaly, it is very healthy and used in several medicines in Ayurvedic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda) treatments. Why would I want to be on the other side?

Its not what people teach us to beleive, we are at an age where we can think and make decisions on our own. So, I DONT believe using wheat or rice is killing crops but merely using it. But killing life is KILLING. Now if we argue plants have life, probably you can prove table, chair and any other non-living thing has life too...:)What are you talking about? Can you read what you wrote, once, and see if it makes sense? I don't think you are at that age... table, chair etc and plants are different things but if you are saying cutting trees for wooden chair is okay, you are so wrong! In our forests, it is prohibited. It is another matter that people might still be doing it.

Hi,
Its not what people teach us to beleive, we are at an age where we can think and make decisions on our own. So, I DONT believe using wheat or rice is killing crops but merely using it. But killing life is KILLING. Now if we argue plants have life, probably you can prove table, chair and any other non-living thing has life too...:)

Now you are talking for the sake of argument. :rolleyes:

Now you are talking for the sake of argument. :rolleyes:I agree! :)

Slightly off topic.. can be improved... conclusion is incomplete but still I think will be a good read - take a look - http://abnegator.blogspot.com/2006/11/reflections.html

Well I could go on and on, and I know everyone else can. :)...So I am signing out from this topic. :D

<BTW>that doesn't mean my belief is changed. :D</BTW>

!!Peace!! ;)Krishnaa, please don't...! Workplace is a bit boring during the Holiday seasons... let's keep fighting...

Arguments don't happen to make others change their beliefs.. One's beliefs is at one's discretion! :)

:lol: :lol: :D....Well we have many other soldiers in play. Let me spectate for some time. ;)No! No! No! :cry: :cry: :cry:

There was a time when I used to believe that only Asians (india mostly) can be pure vegetarians, and all other english speaking people eat meat daily. :)

One more vote in Veg and the ratio will be The PI(22/7) .Unbelievable but true -- it happened!

Like it or not, Veg food is most healthy and atleast I can take it without being guilty! And I take food for survival and not for the sake of getting tasty food all the time! I do love food but stick to clean, veggie food. :) I think some of the world's most talented ones have been Veggies, that doesnt mean non-vegetarians are dumb, it just means eating non-veg just doesnt give taht edge over others or something...talent mostly is cultivated over a period of time. So, I dont think its related to IQ.

You can't be sure that animal products were not used to fertilise the soil. It is quite possible that some pesticides were used to kill off any wildlife that may have tried to get access to the crops. The farmland used to grown the produce may have been taken away from wildlife inhabitants.

So you cannot be certain that no animals were harmed in the production of your vegetable products.

In addition, very few vegetarians actually know what might not contain animal products. On a recent album cover by Morrissey (or maybe it was a single cover, I'm not sure) he is eating an ice-cream which quite possibly is not vegetarian because they often use gelatin in making soft ice-creams of the type he was eating. (Morrissey is one of music's most celebrated vegetarians).

In India, most packaged food products, medicines, and some other things like face cream, toothpaste etc. have a green mark on their packages to denote that it contains (or rather is produced using) only vegetatrian ingredients.

I am however not sure as one of the popular toothpaste has it, even though it says it is rich in calcium (and I suppose it is extraxted from animal bones..)

Most of the medicines also use animal products. Even in Ayurveda, Indian alternative medicine system, animal parts are used (supposedly).

I dont think anyone can be sure that what he/she is using is actually pure veg.