Am I the only one who thinks that...

Shouldn't there be a "I do care about screen real estate, however, would leave it to the persons to use best judgement" ?

I would vote for that.

I am for optimized real-estate, however, if you really think about it, it is not just a problem with images, it could be a problem even otherwise, with lots of text, big fonts, etc..
It could so happen that, the text signatures could very well take up as much space as the ones with images.

Shouldn't there be a "I do care about screen real estate, however, would leave it to the persons to use best judgement" ?

I would vote for that.How is the third option very different from what you imply? Everyone be allowed to display an image in their signatures that meets certain specifications.

Okay, I see your point, Kiran - here is the re-worded option -

Everyone be allowed to display a signature of their choice (includes images)// Actually, we do enforce some guidelines in signatures and we have asked members to change text-signatures that were too big...

Signatures are within purview of the moderators, so restrictions and specifications are in. :)

Unfortuantelly Microsoft does not allow us to strech them.
?!?!!?!?? Why so stiff of regulation? As long as the image content is kept the same, all is fine. That is a dumb Microsoft rule.

Each member has the option to turn off signatures.

Brad!

Each member has the option to turn off signatures.
That is like an all or nothing approach. :D

A lot of members have links to their articles, blogs, etc on their signatures. If any of us were to switch signatures off thanks to some MVP-logos, we'd end up missing on the real information.
Don't you think so?

Additionally, how does the MVP-logo in signature help anyone on CG? What do they say that the text "Microsoft MVP" in their signatures and profiles already didn't?

I think CG is getting less and less friendly to people working on smaller screens and laptops as days pass by... ;)

Smaller signatures look better, but images are alright.

Additionally, how does the MVP-logo in signature help anyone on CG? What do they say that the text "Microsoft MVP" in their signatures and profiles already didn't?

Does it have to ? Signatures, like avatars, are about personalization. I don't think we can mandate the contents. It is about coolness. Heck, I don't even know what exterminator's avatar is about, but, dang, it IS cool. ( and so is, PeejAvery's, albeit, dangerously cool ;) )

Does it have to ? Signatures, like avatars, are about personalization. If being cool at the cost of someone else's usability and screen-space is fine - then it is apparent that most members dont endorse this viewpoint.

The objective of this thread is in making members realize that the logo (albeit cool to some) comes at a reasonable cost (in terms of usability) and inconvenience to members using laptops and smaller screens (refer this (http://attachment.php?attachmentid=19152&stc=1)).

Like I already said, there is not too much of a difference between an advertisement that takes 25% of my screen space and the MVP-logos.
It is difficult to dislike the former and tolerate the latter. :)

I don't think we can mandate the contents. I can confidently assert that members with text-signatures comparable (in vertical height) to those one sees in the screenshot have been asked in the past to scale their's down - for sake of usability - often on behest of other members who felt inconvenienced.

In that sense, content in signatures does need to comply with minimal aesthetic requirements.

Can't do that dglienna.

Unfortuantelly Microsoft does not allow us to strech them.
EDIT: At 79x32 it is still very recognizable and 5kb as a PNG.

Heck, I don't even know what exterminator's avatar is about, but, dang, it IS cool. ( and so is, PeejAvery's, albeit, dangerously cool ;) )Ah, atlast a non-disliker... I can't thank you enough but I will surely give a small story about when I put it up - http://abnegator.blogspot.com/2005/06/between-insects-and-insects.html

Not a pic taken by me, though. Also, I am not a fan of Papa Roach. :)

Designed BY MS, for the site...

http://www.mvps.org/tools/logos.html

Can't we align the logo to the right next to the text instead of under the text?
If you use HTML tags in the signatures. But I don't think that we are able to make tables in the signatures.

What about something more like...

Images aren't allowed here. Only the MVP logo was added recently.
I guess it can't be placed on the right side, according to bylaws.

Seems like 72 pixels is the minimum as well.

I like this one, as well. Too big for an avatar, though.

Going by their quote:

These variations were designed by Microsoft, and offered by them for MVP download from this site.

but, I didn't want to use that in my sig. Just wondered about the size. Hope they'll respond to my email.

Great news. Lets resize it then to 32 or even 24 pixels high.

I am

I created the above. It is 25% of the size of the official one. I leave it to each individual to determine whethey believe they have the right to use a modified size. The Tag is MVPs (s for small :) )

Brad!
(technically, the above is the same size, just displayed smaller ;) )

I guess MVPs would like to flaunt their status, so lets give them a little credit. Most of the MVPs are indeed the brains behind the forums. :)

Some do :D

Microsoft has recognized many of the people here as being influential and thus given the award based on the help provided here. In fact, Microsoft employees continue to watch this forum for those that are influential. The award is only good for a year (but you can get it multiple years). They award new people quarterly, so as time goes on, hopefully others on this forum will get awarded as well.

I know right now they are looking for influential people in the mobile device area (Microsoft technologies of course). If you know any dev-archive members that are really helpful in this area, let me know. I'd like to get their help in our mobile forum as well as get them recognized.

Brad!

That will allow us to put the logo on the left of the rest of the sig instead of under the text.

I don't want to create any additional tags for the MVP code (I'd like to remove the large ones actually). I did, however, add ALIGN="left" HSPACE="5" to the MVPs logo.

Brad!

Great! I have pm'd a copy of the email. Didn't want to post his name in public. Thanks for the change.

EDIT: So, what has to change in the sig? Mine didn't reduce size.

thanks.

I think that there should be both a byte size limit [to save bandwith limited customers from slow refresh] and a vertical height limit [to prevent the screen from being filled by signatures.

Should not even require a true mod to vBulliten. Just a periodic job that scans signatures in the DB. Violators can be notified, and given 72 hrs (or some other limit) to address the situation, or their signature will simply be deleted.

Also Avatar file sizes should be limited, a 1,000,000 frame gif is just silly.

OK. Thanks Marc.

The new MVP logo layout is much better... I now can accept it in the Signature lines...

Great work Sid and David.. :thumb:

...I guess members would not have a problem with having only MVPs and no MVP-tag anymore... Is it possible for you to take that one off (that such threads dont need to get revived in the future)?

Well, not to mention any names, but, it'd be funny if Brad did remove the MVP tag. Next time he logged on, he'd feel 'stripped' of his badge!

[he might be getting individual permission to use the small tag :)]

That is like an all or nothing approach. :D

A lot of members have links to their articles, blogs, etc on their signatures. If any of us were to switch signatures off thanks to some MVP-logos, we'd end up missing on the real information.
Don't you think so?

Additionally, how does the MVP-logo in signature help anyone on CG? What do they say that the text "Microsoft MVP" in their signatures and profiles already didn't?

I think CG is getting less and less friendly to people working on smaller screens and laptops as days pass by... ;)

I agree, turning off signatures entirely is not a reasonable suggestion. The text of the signature may be valuable. I didn't see anyone suggest the option of disabling images in signatures while leaving the text in tact. Would that be possible?