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[RESOLVED] Raising the bar for fixes to legacy compiler (and planning for 2005 S

1206 byte By Ted. at 2007-12-5 22:14:11
As the bar has raised as to what bugs are being considered for fix ( for those who haven't read, please see: http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2006/05/30/610989.aspx )what is the choosing strategy for service packs with respect to the compiler? As SP1 for Visual C++ 2005 had a very short d...

[RESOLVED] Leave as is

828 byte By enierop at 2007-12-4 23:57:14
Hi,I used VC 7 and 8 and also 6 a short time. I use VC because it is no option for me, to add mixed code, or a dotnet assembly with wrappers only to COM interfaces, while I must be sure, that my clients =will be= supporting DotNet 2.0 down to windows 2000. So I use VC++ 8.0My biggest advise: Don...

[RESOLVED] Managed C++ to C++/CLI converter

339 byte By Ted. at 2007-12-4 10:39:32
A Managed C++ to C++/CLI converter has been alluded to many times in the past as something that was under development. Could this please be released, even under the guise of an unsupported sample? The window of usefulness is quickly passing for such a tool (as people would have found other ways to...

[RESOLVED] What is (was) MQ? and is it going to continue?

431 byte By Ted. at 2007-12-3 19:26:02
What exactly is MQ that was briefly mentioned here: http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2005/11/08/490694.aspxand http://blogs.msdn.com/texblog/archive/2006/03/01/541918.aspxIs it a process? Strategy? Set of techniques? Or is it simply a set of priorites?What were the main lesssons you learned fr...

[RESOLVED] const corrected please in managed classes

1018 byte By Nigel Norfolk at 2007-12-1 0:35:07
In the introduction to the C++/CLI Langauge Specification it is stated that one of the goals used in the design of C++/CLI was to"Provide first-class support for Standard C++ features ... for all types including CLI classes."Unfortunately, there is a major ommision in C++/CLI, namely const correctn...

[RESOLVED] Using VC++ non-Win embedded environments

2246 byte By dude_1967 at 2007-11-29 14:56:38
Hello,My name is Chris and my career function is software development manager in the automotive industry. We are specialized in development of real-time control software for microcontroller applications as well as PC-based applications.We use Visual C++ for 'normal' projects. In addition,...

[RESOLVED] Hotfixes and KB articles?

729 byte By Ted. at 2007-11-27 0:19:35
What exactly is the process that you use to get KB articles published to the support.microsoft.com site? There's been a VC 2005 hotfix that's existed for a while for resource trashing (kb id 917327)that should be published at http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;917327Are there cer...

Thank you!

126 byte By Ted. at 2007-11-24 23:01:31
I want to thank all the people involved in this slow chat, especially the VC team. It was really interesting and informative.

Slow Chat - Now over, but still viewable

199 byte By Brad Jones at 2007-11-24 23:01:20
I wanted to remind everyone that there is only a few hours left for this slow chat. Any questions or comments posted after 4:00 pm PST today may not be addressed. <br/>Sincerely,<br/>Brad!

[RESOLVED] What newsgroups do the VC++ team read?

213 byte By wserra at 2007-11-24 23:01:09
There are several newsgroups dedicated to C++. Could you tell us in which one the VC++ team participates? <br/>Sometimes an opinion suffices. Sometimes it is better to know Microsoft's official position.

[RESOLVED] Abstract

381 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 23:01:05
Why does the compiler give me a warning that my class is not abstract if I have a pure virtual function?But if I declare my class to be abstract without any pure virtual functions I don't get a warning?That is like a "Are you sure..." prompt to ask the user if he really knowns what he is doing....

[RESOLVED] Why ref / value?

238 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 23:01:04
Why were the ref / value keywords introduced? I don't see any value they add to the language, they only seem to unnecessary complicate things.<br/>Why can't I inherit a value struct from an other value struct?<br/>Andr

[RESOLVED] latest version of DLL Hell?

922 byte By HoM at 2007-11-24 23:00:56
Hi,I found, that VC of 2005 came up with that strange mechanism having C runtime in WinSXS folder. So it is not possible, to ensure that my app is running with the dlls next to it (on XP - on W2k it still works - how inconsistent!), which makes live harder then ever! Why did you do that :confused: I...

[RESOLVED] Benefits of VS2005 for native development

879 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 23:00:35
I've already raised the question here http://www.dev-archive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391655, but since it's an own topic I make a separate post.What are the benefits if I compile my MFC/Win32 application with VS2005 instead of VS6?The downsides I see are:- VS6 SP6 is around for a while,...

[RESOLVED] C++/CLI and C#

510 byte By Microsoftlover at 2007-11-24 22:59:56
When it comes to developing Windows Forms Applications, what is more powerful out of C++/CLI and C#?Microsoft state on MSDN that C++/CLI is the most powerful .NET Language,but i wish to know what makes it more productive and powerful than C#.I have also been told that C++/CLI Applications run faster...

[RESOLVED] .NET linker

303 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 22:59:38
From a 3rd party vendor a .NET linker is available, which links the required assemblies together and allows the deployment of the application without the whole framework.That also allows better code protection as well as native compilation.Any plans to support this in Visual Studio?...

[RESOLVED] Building dsw/dsp with devenv

98 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 22:59:17
It would be great if dsw/dsp files could be build with devenv without having to convert the files.

[RESOLVED] Page breaks in Visual C++ printouts

838 byte By porter at 2007-11-24 22:58:58
As a teacher of courses using Visual C++ withinVisual Studio (2005 starting this fall) I want tobe able to choose the position of page breakswhen code is printed out and have students dothe same. Either this is not possible from withinVisual Studio .NET's Visual C++ or I'm missingsomething...

[RESOLVED] WinForms code generation

811 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 22:58:46
There are a few things that I don't like about the code that is generated for WinForms:a) Each member is preceded by the access specifier, instead I would like to have blocks.b) In InitializeComponent is a this-> in front of all calls/assignments, if the this-> is beeing removed the code...

[RESOLVED] Will MFC be made a better neighbour?

628 byte By Andrew Hain at 2007-11-24 22:58:30
Will some of the historical baggage in MFC be tidied up?I am thinking of: If you use #define NOMINMAX to tame the SDK header files and allow well behaved minimum and maximum functions, you have to put three lines of declarations before MFC headers. The MFC object macros create member names from the...

[RESOLVED] Things I miss in VC8

942 byte By jho1965dk at 2007-11-24 22:58:08
Hi I am a C++ programmer (both native and CLI)and I was really stunned when I discovered that keyboard templates aparently is only available to VB and C# but not C++ is this really true or am I missing some point?Is there any chance that the compiling speed of template heavy project will improve? e....

[RESOLVED] Managed or Unmanaged - where does the future lie?

605 byte By falconsoft at 2007-11-24 22:57:56
Hi,After attending the WinFX sessions at TechEd 2006 I felt that in near future Microsoft is moving to and openly preaching a mix of managed and unmanaged world. Earlier push was more towards managed (which made me believe that in near future even the Windows OS would be mostly managed code) but now...

[RESOLVED] Managed Code : Which is the language of choice at Microsoft?

388 byte By falconsoft at 2007-11-24 22:57:53
Hi,We keep reading about the number of lines of managed code in the various products released by Microsoft like SQL Server 2005 etc..Can you share with us which is the language used to write most of this managed code. If there is no clear choice then can you give some insights into in which areas or...

[RESOLVED] Orcas and wrapping native Vista APIs

2024 byte By Ted. at 2007-11-24 22:57:51
Doing a bit of work with the Vista Beta 2 SDK, I have realized just how huge a number of new native Vista APIs there are. I'm not necessarily talking about the new controls or user experience APIs, which you have already talked about wrapping. I'm talking about things like IFileOperation...

[RESOLVED] Managed unions?

367 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 22:57:21
value struct myStruct{ int myInt;};union myUnion{ myStruct iShareMyMemory; myStruct meToo;};Results in the error C2848: 'myUnion::iShareMyMemory' : a managed type cannot be a member of a union.StructLayout also doesn't seem to work.Will this be supported with the next release?...

[RESOLVED] Mfc.net

496 byte By ABuenger at 2007-11-24 22:57:17
I would like to see the MFC programming model beeing brought to .NET for C++ developers.Currently .NET - or at least WinForms - is VB'ish with event handlers like menuItemToolStripMenuItem_Click.I would like to see command routing and command and update handlers.I also would like to get the doc...

[RESOLVED] Comments about initial experience with C++/CLI

4070 byte By jwbarton at 2007-11-24 22:56:59
I have done some initial programming using the C++/CLI and have some comments about my experience.I had an existing program which parsed VC 6.0 dsp files to extract a variety of settings and lists of files. As my company goes forward with converting to using the VC 2005, projects are being converte...

[RESOLVED] Event Handler Wizard desperately needs redesign

2497 byte By wdstevens at 2007-11-24 22:56:43
This applies to both VS 2003 and VS 2005 (e.g. for adding a new ID to a menu in an MFC project and handling that ID in the MFC CDocument). ***PLEASE*** redesign the Event Handler Wizard. Although the current design allows the task to be completed, the usability is so bad that I find it extremely har...

[RESOLVED] Versions and Controls

1862 byte By DHillard at 2007-11-24 22:56:29
Hello MSVC++ Team,VERSIONS:I am a Win32 developer using VC6.0. For quite some time, I have been interested in upgrading my Standard edition of VC6 to the enterprise edition of VC6. It appears that VC6 can no longer be purchased and I will need to go to VS 2005. I know this is .NET stuff which I d...

[RESOLVED] Gallery

209 byte By Ejaz at 2007-11-24 22:56:22
In VS 6.0, there was this feature of Add to Gallery ( http://www.codeproject.com/tips/vcgallery.asp) , which was pretty handy at times, I would like to ask for the particular reason to drop this in VS .Net IDE.

[RESOLVED] Whats the features/inovations expected for Orcas

428 byte By Sygnosys at 2007-11-24 22:56:02
I don't know if it's VC++ team can answer this question, but here it goes anyway.VC++ 8.0 brought some nice features/innovations where I want to distinguish C++/CLI, PGO and OpenMP. So what can we expect in terms of features for the VC++ Orcas release?The one that already was discussed on...

[RESOLVED] C# vs Managed C++

580 byte By falconsoft at 2007-11-24 22:55:31
Hi,I have programmed in C++ before .NET came and then switched to C# and liked the language. What I would like to explore is whether I have missed anything in not programming in Managed C++.Putting it more specifically-1) Performance related : Do managed applications written in Managed C++ run faste...

[RESOLVED] Why stay with C++ and not move to C#?

884 byte By BillG at 2007-11-24 22:55:23
I have stayed with VC (through managed C++ and now C++/CLI) and stayed away from C#. Initially, because I did not want to learn a new language. BUT! the learning curve to C# could not have been more than what I went through to Mangaged C and then onto C++/CLI. I am currently porting a complex C#...

[RESOLVED] LINQ for C++ developers?

295 byte By daveJ at 2007-11-24 22:55:15
Are there plans to incorporate the LINQ/DLINQ/XLINQ technology into C++/CLI? Would this be a useful addition to C++/CLI? <br/>Are there any examples of what C++ DLINQ or XLINQ code would look like? <br/>Why are new .NET technologies like this introduced just for C# and VB? Thanks.

[RESOLVED] Refactoring and Class diagrams

204 byte By gpuchtel at 2007-11-24 22:54:51
What are your plans regarding Refactoring support and Class diagrams? It seems C# is given preference over C++ in this area. Also, regarding Class diagrams, I'd like to see round-trip coding support.

[RESOLVED] Boost and C++/CLI

140 byte By daveJ at 2007-11-24 22:54:29
I find the Boost libraries very useful in native C++ code. Do you know if some or all of the libraries would work in managed code? Thanks.

[RESOLVED] Why does .NET try to Hide source?

330 byte By MrBeans at 2007-11-24 22:54:19
Hello Visual C++ Team,My question is why does .NET try to hide the source code of functions calls?Unlike MFC where in the debugger breaks far into the code with an MFC class, .NET simply does not allow its source to be debugged.Is is not possible for you to provide the source just as MFC does?Thanks...

[RESOLVED] VC++ addict

890 byte By emadns at 2007-11-24 22:54:03
I hate the way Microsoft is forcing programmer's attention away from VC++. I mean discontinuing MCSD C++ tracks, Almost all MSDN magazine is bout .net, taking full advantage of the new OSs by using .net APIs. Most of the headlines now are about .net. It is true that web development through ASP....

[RESOLVED] MFC Collection Classes.

1760 byte By ovidiucucu at 2007-11-24 22:53:41
One of issues that bother me in 'Visual C++' forum is when somebody open a thread like for example "I've got a question about CArray/CList/CStringArray/etc..." and often this answer comes: "Why don't you use std::vector/std::list? It's more powerfull...". I always said "alth...

[RESOLVED] VSTO and C++

308 byte By daveJ at 2007-11-24 22:52:52
There are a lot of new features in the Office 2007 suite that make it interesting to developers. I see it as an alternative user interface to desktop applications and Web clients. Unfortunately, Visual Studio Tools for Office is only available for C# and VB. Are there any plans to offer VSTO for...

[RESOLVED] C++ and library user education - Microsoft free developer events?

392 byte By Ted. at 2007-11-24 22:52:50
How much say do you as a team have in suggesting sessions for Microsoft developer events (I'm talking about the big 1 day marketing pushes, not the TechEds or PDCs). I think it would be worthwhile to have some C++ and/or library sessions at some of these events (I don't think they had on...

[RESOLVED] std:tr1

280 byte By cpdaniel at 2007-11-24 22:52:39
I have to ask (as I've asked since early in the Everett alpha): Any plans to support std::tr1 - in Orcas or beyond?<br/>I understand that Dinkumware has just released their complete TR1 implementation, so presumably there's a library available for VC++ to license.

[RESOLVED] IntelliSense in VC++

789 byte By wbahnassi at 2007-11-24 22:52:29
Since it all began in VC++ 6, IntelliSense has been improving in significant steps. However, there's always time when it stops working. Whether sooner or later depends on how the code is written and how big the project is.In the current version, IntelliSense hates changes happening inside class...

[RESOLVED] What about the ATL future?

334 byte By Sygnosys at 2007-11-24 22:51:30
What's the planned future for the ATL Server classes Library? With all the WS* stuff couldnt / shouldnt it be some improvement in the WS support, at least for the most important one's?!Or at least provide some way for the programmer to plugin into the ATL code suport for these standards or...

[RESOLVED] Mixed mode future, enumerations, static variables

1803 byte By lavery at 2007-11-24 22:51:22
Hello MVP's,Question 1)Does Microsoft plan to continue support for a mixture of managed and unmanaged c++ code in a single c++ project? If so, how long do they plan on supporting this option?Question 2)When projects are a mixture of unmanaged code written in c++ and then wrapped with managed c...

[RESOLVED] socket and thread libraries

452 byte By nilay.linux at 2007-11-24 22:51:16
To the best of my knowledge, I am not aware that if there is any C++ specific standard socket/ thread library yet. Currently the standard libraries or MFC API calls are used for socket and thread programming.So, if I am correct, then is there any plans to bring some standard C++ specific socket/thre...

[RESOLVED] We want more Classes in MFC

644 byte By RoyTellect at 2007-11-24 22:50:57
There is no doubt that Windows developers love MFC. We want more MFC classes but not .net framework. If Microsoft stopped the update of MFC, open source community will offer what we want instead. Then why we continue using Visual Studio? Just because Visual Studio has Intellisence? I choose Visual C...

[RESOLVED] VS8 - C++ programmers invited?

2283 byte By PadexArt at 2007-11-24 22:50:48
As the title suggests I am interested in knowing if Microsoft has any plans to improve the C++ programmers experience with the next VS. I've tried to use VS 2005 for C++ projects but I failed to do so in a productive manner so now I'm only using it just for C# applications. My main reason...

[RESOLVED] Why Phoenix? What is the benefit of a new architecture?

1260 byte By Ted. at 2007-11-24 22:50:40
I've heard that Microsoft will abandon development of its standard C/C++ compiler and put all its efforts into a new compiler named Phoenix. Can you1) give a brief history of what started this push (what caused you to throw your hands up and say "this can't be done" in the current code ba...

[RESOLVED] Backward compatibility problem

332 byte By karthikoncodeguru at 2007-11-24 22:50:13
Hi all,I was previously worked in Visual C++6.0. Now i am working in Visual Studion 2005. But once we changed the existing code of VC6.0 to Visual studio 2005, it is not possible to regain the code to work in VC6.0 environment. Why it so ?Is there any Backward compatibililty problem ?Regards,Karthik...